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Psychedelic Rock Психоделический рок — сложная, экспрессивная музыка, сильно воздействующая на слушателя. Для этого используется широкий арсенал средств музыкальной выразительности и специальные эффекты при исполнении музыки. Характерной чертой психоделического рока стали продолжительные сольные партии ведущих инструментов и свой гармонический фон - переплетение мажорных и минорных гармоний, альтерации на 3-й, 5-й, 7-й ступенях и задержания на них, а также частая опора мелодии на неустойчивые звуки.

А знаете ли Вы, что...
За какие заслуги музыкантов принимают в «Клуб 27»?
«Среди известных рок- и блюз-музыкантов весьма значительна доля тех, кто умер в 27 лет. Именно в этом возрасте почему-то возникает статистическая погрешность, выделяющаяся из нормального распределения. Для таких музыкантов даже приняли название «Клуб 27». В него включают Джима Моррисона, Джими Хендрикса, Дженис Джоплин, Курта Кобейна и Брайана Джонса. В 27 лет умер также легендарный советский рок-музыкант и поэт Александр Башлачёв.»
 
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  #11
Старый 06.11.2018, 02:41
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По умолчанию Re: Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse Of Reason

Цитата: Сообщение от TAIFUN Посмотреть сообщение
burnett_s, Hi bro!
Do you want to share this CD?

Sure! I'll start now and let you know when it's ready!

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  #12
Старый 06.11.2018, 21:36
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По умолчанию Re: Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse Of Reason

Because the scans are not very clear, is this version ?

Matrix / Runout (Mould, Top Side): ['D®' logo] Made in USA - Digital Audio Disc Corp.

I edited your matrix image and I could see "Made in USA - Digital Audio Disc Corp." Could you please confirm if this is correct?

Thank you!
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  #13
Старый 07.11.2018, 07:05
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По умолчанию Re: Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse Of Reason

Цитата: Сообщение от burnett_s Посмотреть сообщение
Made in USA - Digital Audio Disc Corp.

On my copy just such a relief text.
Цитата: Сообщение от burnett_s Посмотреть сообщение
is this version Made By – Digital Audio Disc Corp. – DIDP 70659 ?

Yes, judging by what me saw, it is. DIDP 70659 5 MANUFACTURED BY DADC
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  #14
Старый 07.11.2018, 18:04
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По умолчанию Re: Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse Of Reason

В тему добавлен релиз от burnett_s.
Данный пользователь любезно поделился с нами рипом своего диска. Диск, судя по бар-коду такой же как у sergych, но есть отличия в длительности композиций. Интересная ситуация.)
В общем, считаю что ещё один рип не помешает.

Хочу отметить подход англоязычного пользователя burnett_s к созданию рипа. Заметно что человек анализирует наши рипы. Можете сами в этом убедиться скачав его архив (который он сам залил на яндекс, кстати) и посмотреть из чего он состоит. Не ожидал, если честно.)
Содержимое архива я не трогал, он сам всё сделал. Я даже не стал менять в релизе обложку, разместил скан Jewelcase.

Меня это даже сподвигло на то, чтобы дополнить релиз-мастер, да и другие важные функции форума английской локализацией. А то человек пользуется английской версией форума, а у него половина функционала на русском.

P.S. Вообще интересная ситуация с этим диском. Мой диск (Англия) который размешён в первом сообщении, имеет отличный от американского диска треклист:
6. "Yet Another Movie"
6a. "Round and Around"
На американском же диске эти композиции подвержены слиянию.
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  #15
Старый 07.11.2018, 20:08
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По умолчанию Re: Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse Of Reason

burnett_s - Thanks, respect! Серьёзную работу проделал человек.

TAIFUN, ситуация более интересна даже не тем, что есть различия в длительности композиций, этим как раз никого не удивишь, а тем что релизы от sergych и burnett_s имеют совершенно разный мастеринг, при одинаковых каталожных номерах и стране производителе... Хотя на Discogs релизов с аналогичным кат. номером просто пруд пруди...

В общем смотрите сами:

Peak level 100.0 % - sergych
Peak level 57.5 % - burnett_s

Самые нижние колонки сравните, графы Track Peak (не нашёл как можно выделить часть текста).

CUETools Log - sergych

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CUETools Log - burnett_s

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03 [5f30a47a] (026/294) Accurately ripped
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05 [183d8773] (026/294) Accurately ripped
06 [82172ad7] (026/293) Accurately ripped
07 [b094bd31] (026/293) Accurately ripped
08 [8b95ad9c] (026/291) Accurately ripped
09 [3067a69c] (026/296) Accurately ripped
10 [8652d300] (024/284) Accurately ripped
Offsetted by -861:
01 [d4076b50] (017/294) Accurately ripped
02 [4b27ab84] (017/299) Accurately ripped
03 [fd0fab70] (017/294) Accurately ripped
04 [02de9aa9] (016/293) Accurately ripped
05 [31fe5ee9] (016/294) Accurately ripped
06 [f5cd7bc4] (016/293) Accurately ripped
07 [dc1bbced] (017/293) Accurately ripped
08 [58b082b9] (016/291) Accurately ripped
09 [76479185] (017/296) Accurately ripped
10 [716465b8] (000/284) No match (V2 was not tested)

Track Peak [ CRC32 ] [W/O NULL] [ LOG ]
-- 57,5 [0F2E8521] [29226D81] CRC32
01 36,9 [8EDEECF5] [53EF3213]
02 57,5 [CE032FF0] [54AFA288]
03 53,5 [7EA60572] [AC1B141B]
04 51,3 [C09D1446] [E0520375]
05 48,9 [E9184E62] [FBBFE67F]
06 57,5 [9595029A] [C524420C]
07 23,5 [BA13138E] [D40FFD13]
08 57,4 [890DC2D0] [26585FC2]
09 22,8 [22875860] [1BAD8AA4]
10 53,5 [A3E80628] [1B95A1AE]
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И, сравните динамический диапазон:

DR Log - sergych

foobar2000 1.3.16 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2018-11-04 13:50:52

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Analyzed: Pink Floyd / A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -3.86 dB -20.70 dB 4:25 01-Signs Of Life
DR12 0.00 dB -15.05 dB 4:54 02-Learning To Fly
DR11 -0.62 dB -14.77 dB 6:11 03-The Dogs Of War
DR11 -0.99 dB -15.76 dB 5:05 04-One Slip
DR11 -1.40 dB -15.74 dB 5:42 05-On The Turning Away
DR13 0.00 dB -17.90 dB 7:28 06-Yet Another Movie \ Round And Around
DR12 -7.77 dB -25.28 dB 1:46 07-A New Machine, Pt 1
DR12 -0.01 dB -16.42 dB 6:17 08-Terminal Frost
DR10 -8.02 dB -24.15 dB 0:39 09-A New Machine, Pt 2
DR13 -0.62 dB -16.07 dB 8:49 10-Sorrow
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Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 785 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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DR Log - burnett_s

foobar2000 1.3.16 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2018-11-07 19:17:47

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Analyzed: Pink Floyd / A Momentary Lapse of Reason (CK 40599)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -8.66 dB -25.45 dB 4:24 01-Signs of Life
DR12 -4.80 dB -19.85 dB 4:53 02-Learning to Fly
DR11 -5.42 dB -19.53 dB 6:09 03-The Dogs of War
DR12 -5.79 dB -20.60 dB 5:07 04-One Slip
DR11 -6.20 dB -20.54 dB 5:42 05-On the Turning Away
DR13 -4.80 dB -22.70 dB 7:28 06-Yet Another Movie / Round and Around
DR12 -12.57 dB -30.09 dB 1:46 07-A New Machine, Part 1
DR12 -4.81 dB -21.22 dB 6:17 08-Terminal Frost
DR10 -12.82 dB -28.95 dB 0:39 09-A New Machine, Part 2
DR13 -5.42 dB -20.85 dB 8:47 10-Sorrow
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 710 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================
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On my copy just such a relief text.

Yes, judging by what me saw, it is. DIDP 70659 5 MANUFACTURED BY DADC

OK, so your copy is the , Made in USA - Digital Audio Disc Corp.

My copy is a post-1994 reissue because it contains a Mould SID Code: IFPI 7299. (Source Identification Codes) were gradually introduced in September 1994 by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) in order to help combat piracy.
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По умолчанию Re: Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse Of Reason

TAIFUN, теперь по поводу чеккеров разных и прочего, вы просили поделиться опытом...

В своё время, я тоже искал разные проги - сравнивал, искал/читал/анализировал инфу по этой теме, пока не надоело. Сдаётся мне, что все они работают по одному и тому же принципу/алгоритму, что Audiochecker, что auCDtectTaskManager, что остальные... То что диски 80-х годов они частенько некорректно определяют, это уже давно известно. Лично я сейчас пользуюсь auCDtectTaskManager, потому как в отличие от Audiochecker, совместно с логом выдаётся и картинка спектра, вот только картинка в красно-оранжево-жёлтых тонах для меня как то менее информативна, поэтому поменял настройки, чтобы были спектры в жёлто-зелёно-синих цветах. Ну, а для просто быстрого просмотра спектрограммы пользуюсь прожкой spek-0.8.2.

Теперь ещё по поводу проверки образов старых дисков... Думаю, не стоит Вам терять время на изучение и тестирование новых прог, я Вас удивлю - всё гораздо проще. Рип от sergych тоже определяется как CDDA 100%, всего лишь надо разбить цельный образ на треки прямо в foobar2000 - секундное дело, желательно сразу в WAV (чтобы потом прога-чеккер не конвертила их сама, так быстрее) и закидываете эти треки в тот же auCDtect Task Manager, и вуаля:

auCDtect

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DON'T MODIFY THIS FILE

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PERFORMER: auCDtect Task Manager, ver. 1.6.0 RC1 build 1.6.0.1
Copyright (c) 2008-2010 y-soft. All rights reserved


ANALYZER: auCDtect: CD records authenticity detector, version 0.8.2
Copyright (c) 2004 Oleg Berngardt. All rights reserved.
Copyright (c) 2004 Alexander Djourik. All rights reserved.


FILE: 10. Sorrow.flac
Size: 52038426 Hash: F9E35363E4FEB43CFD4AC7FB0B1A2EC9 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 100%
Signature: A21920550CB157F340CDAD6C99585A945F98BB65
FILE: 09. A New Machine, Pt 2.flac
Size: 2873684 Hash: 7025F2934AFD582A73400249EA7A6CC3 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 100%
Signature: 7FC2762CEFBFC3D2A730245296CA31B4769B3B6E
FILE: 08. Terminal Frost.flac
Size: 39695343 Hash: 2EF65BF0AAFF62A41378BF5EE3C489D6 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 100%
Signature: 6ABA7F80658E86529255FD8D845B03451E7701D7
FILE: 07. A New Machine, Pt 1.flac
Size: 7959074 Hash: 0E16E6C807B30775532F566A3E4C5E1C Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 100%
Signature: 0023364C86A3688273D195F0B2A6CC8E58CEA8B7
FILE: 06. Yet Another Movie - Round And Around.flac
Size: 41739026 Hash: B310088E1AFF88F0996739FA8C4C85A7 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 100%
Signature: 3D0943E17424A693113FB37869D602E47A95D819
FILE: 05. On The Turning Away.flac
Size: 35664837 Hash: BC56EA31F0E8DEEB5F65618071E7C8F3 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 100%
Signature: 76EE951E04FF412CB8AF38A86CAD8493E09805A8
FILE: 04. One Slip.flac
Size: 32565781 Hash: D46975D00856767DA533AF70F7550F66 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 99%
Signature: DE29AA6CD852C86FB474D96E1D67A35487899A53
FILE: 03. The Dogs Of War.flac
Size: 38340451 Hash: 097889842F1B9FF4CC07E45A1B5561C1 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 99%
Signature: AA779A5C28F2A6F2349FA4B831ABD3BD75995BB0
FILE: 02. Learning To Fly.flac
Size: 30192845 Hash: AD064B17977E2BF49813457140BEEF19 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 100%
Signature: B2591202AAED562A6E070F5F659CD6C60DEB43B6
FILE: 01. Signs Of Life.flac
Size: 20692292 Hash: 5CD2A4A3D279A32B6730233F6887BF28 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: CDDA 100%
Signature: 5F1E5927292334EBF8F6E74F29AF932CCB555CA3
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Screen

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Заметьте, здесь все треки прошли проверку, но на некоторых старых дисках всё же 1-2-3 трека бывает определяется как MPEG. Но это нормально, остальные треки обычно проверку проходят. Т.е. фактически из-за 2-3-х подозрительных треков эти самые проги-чеккеры бракуют весь рип, если проверять целым образом.

Ну и для полной ясности, приведу ещё результаты тестирования транскодированного файла из образа sergych в мп3 с максимальным битрейтом 320, а из мп3 в WAV потрековый и спектры образов транскодированного файла и оригинального файла:

auCDtect: FLAC -> mp3 -> WAV

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DON'T MODIFY THIS FILE

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PERFORMER: auCDtect Task Manager, ver. 1.6.0 RC1 build 1.6.0.1
Copyright (c) 2008-2010 y-soft. All rights reserved


ANALYZER: auCDtect: CD records authenticity detector, version 0.8.2
Copyright (c) 2004 Oleg Berngardt. All rights reserved.
Copyright (c) 2004 Alexander Djourik. All rights reserved.


FILE: 10. Sorrow.flac
Size: 51529674 Hash: A142472A48ABBFA70166AC3CF9CC4FCD Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 95%
Signature: DDDD9E8D628CB38DE352EE7E8C9DFE5406329AAB
FILE: 09. A New Machine, Pt 2.flac
Size: 2856161 Hash: C6916BD7897C8E8934F28C77AA55E65C Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 100%
Signature: D57964283C39B9FDD2882E0D4E2B5537D9A35606
FILE: 08. Terminal Frost.flac
Size: 39628880 Hash: 4784C93B34611279CADD739D06487CFD Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 95%
Signature: FC12B651653B3C4CFA066BE84417D64DB7E3343C
FILE: 07. A New Machine, Pt 1.flac
Size: 7914620 Hash: 8594B4C0B3600287DE6FD8AC9BB61CD4 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 95%
Signature: 550C00EA343499F065019F23585B20CD3CECA272
FILE: 06. Yet Another Movie - Round And Around.flac
Size: 41611326 Hash: 8C9BB22AC05444DCBF9B00A24D54C191 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 95%
Signature: 9D9BBE79BE510208C8BE8814F320BF839DE2AE9D
FILE: 05. On The Turning Away.flac
Size: 35544733 Hash: F64EB4D76478B908598044CDA2178D6B Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 95%
Signature: C02267C6EDC01F9059D8577261098701E3A43A36
FILE: 04. One Slip.flac
Size: 32517378 Hash: C48B9756DD32E85F0C2E786DA85DCE7D Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 95%
Signature: AA3BDAB639C6E73A1C480174C413B0CFF99A9E48
FILE: 03. The Dogs Of War.flac
Size: 38164283 Hash: 6AF1EC1E7CB6D09E4C2F3C172D21F8EC Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 95%
Signature: A49DB1CC8D08B6DA6A3733E891E087C42C92D3BD
FILE: 02. Learning To Fly.flac
Size: 30089130 Hash: 0901D1EEC4577B6CA6C7DBFAD8C00B4F Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: MPEG 95%
Signature: CDA2F3E96CD4893A18FC6DF6B9CDC7A697FC1C69
FILE: 01. Signs Of Life.flac
Size: 20432187 Hash: 311BF71AE3EECB943D0BB6F657994201 Accuracy: -m0
Conclusion: ???
Signature: 8141D253CF3377EDACE8FDCA4829C11DFC057A1F
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Spectr mp3 -> WAV

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Spectr FLAC-original

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Как говорится, разница видна невооружённым глазом.

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Цитата: Сообщение от johnsilver

В общем смотрите сами:

Peak level 100.0 % - sergych
Peak level 57.5 % - burnett_s

Самые нижние колонки сравните, графы Track Peak (не нашёл как можно выделить часть текста).

What is this Peak Level for?

The Peak Level of a song the maximum volume within the song. So 100% will have the maximum volume possible in a file. A file with Peak Level 50% will have only at its loudest point half of the maximum possible volume. So this is no quality information, it is useful for creating a CD mixed of tracks from different CDs and for normalizing.

EAC Support


EAC peak levels

When ripping a CD, Exact Audio Copy (EAC) reports the peak levels ("loudest" samples) present on each track. These values are often used to distinguish different masterings of a single release.

Under most circumstances, differences in EAC-reported peak values are virtually certain to mean the pressings in questions have different audio content -- the exception being those rare occasions where a change in the CD's index points places a peak value in a different track on the disc. But identical peak values are not a guarantee of identical mastering, for several reasons:

* EAC's percentages are much lower precision (0.0% to 100.0%) than the actual 16-bit samples on a CD (-32768 to +32767). Each tenth of a "percentage point" can cover any of over sixty actual sample values.

* Peaks cannot distinguish releases with phase-reversed channels, because EAC does not report whether a peak value is positive or negative.

* Peaks cannot distinguish releases whose channels are swapped, as EAC reports the highest value in the entire track regardless of channel.

* Some masterings are normalized or compressed such that most or all tracks on the release have a "peak" of 0dB (100.0%).

Use of an analysis tool such as SoX, which reports exact sample values, including phase and channel, is a more precise way to compare the contents of CDs one doesn't have on hand.


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What is this Peak Level for?

В данном случае, различные пиковые значения, указывают на разный мастеринг этих 2-х релизов. (как один из показателей)

Однако имейте ввиду, что для рипов образом (имидж) общий пиковый уровень, указанный в логе ЕАС всегда показывает максимальное значение - выборку из всех треков. Более подробно - пиковый уровень каждого трека, можно увидеть в CUETools Log. Для потрековых рипов, соответственно пиковые уровни указываются сразу для каждого трека в логе ЕАС.

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